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Post by yellowperil on Jan 27, 2011 17:28:22 GMT
i agree entirely with england and dubai,there are players in the reserves well capable of doing a job at ryman level . Lets get this into perspective they are overlooked , can you tell me how many times the manager has watched the lads this season when the 1st havent been playing ? ,i can understand the frustration of some felt in the reserves ,we bring in players from outside , im not saying they are bad players far from it , but ought we to try a few reserves first and see if they are up to it or not ?i like the attitiude of the ressies ,they play good football and are workmanlike,a good bunch of lads ,i for one would like to see them given their chance and see the reserves feed the first team more often ,it should be the 2 youth sides feeding into the reserves ,let them learn their trade there and then gradually be introduce into the first team squad ,thats how it should work but does it ?
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Post by comeonyouyellows on Jan 27, 2011 19:55:12 GMT
In truth, I find it scary that you agree ENTIRELY with England and Dubai.......I made the following points that you have not answered as yet......what response does the reserve team manager get when he advises the senior management and the chairman on the excellence of some of the players in our reserve team, playing in the sussex county league reserve section? I assume like all managers, the reserve team manager knows his players better than an 'occasional' watcher.....and do you think the fist team manager and his staff don't know what is going on with players at the club?.......and, where have these players come from?......were they here last season and this is their second year as a 'team'? where were they when Ady was here, weren't they good enough then or were they 'overlooked' then as well.....you also make the point about some of these players doing a 'job' at ryman level and then you say the reserves are 'workmanlike' that's hardly a compliment or a recommendation, is it?.......and do you mean they could do a 'job' alongside the 'pros' that are involved with Ryman 1 clubs on loan from top professional clubs.....or with the experienced ex-pros and top level players getting a couple of hundred quid a week........with respect, and in my humble opinion, ryman 1 is a very, very competitive league, it is not easy to get results at this level and is about 4 goals above the county league division 1 average, which by its very nature is a good step up from the resere section. You talk about getting this into perspective.....can i make two more points, 1) is this the same reserve team that was unable to get a result against pagham reserves recently and 2)when you say about bringing in players from 'outside', what does that mean exactly......they shouldn't come in from 5 miles away, 10 miles away or more. I have found most groups of very 'local' mates playing together are normally pub sides playing in the sunday leagues and not very senior clubs in the county looking to be progressive and ambitious, that said, having some local boys is a good concept, if they're good enough ......and finally, in my opinion again, the last year of 'youth' footballers should BE the reserve team with the best of them filtering into the first team squad.......that's how it should work. Now, i expect you to disagree with most, if not all of what I have written because it's all about opinions, mine, yours, the next man's.......and that's what makes football such an excellent sport.........and before you ask, no, I haven't watched the reserve team but I will and then I will answer with a better degree of certainty than I do now........I shall look forward to everyone's thoughts and replies and, as i said before, if they are there in the ressies then get the team manager to get that info to the club manager pronto.......after all, we all want the first team to do well..........don't we??
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 28, 2011 16:35:45 GMT
You know me to well i dont agree with you !!!!,when i say these players can do a job at ryman level that is exactly what i mean !! , If asked to be a representitive of the first team , they will come in and play and give it their all.As for workmanlike, are the first team not now producing workmanlike performances Not inspiring football but getting the results ,that at the end of the day is what is required in this league ,we are never going to be able to attract the top gifted players or ex pros as you call them , the mercinarys id like to call them because that is what they are ,and before you say it im not talking about the simmos of this world , im talking about players that play with no heart or passion and just play football for a free and easy meal ticket .However we digress ,back to the matter in question ,ryman 1 south is but 1 step above the county league ,the standard is a little better within the top teams ,but as you will see with 3 bridges who should come up next season they will hardly struggle and as usual the team with the lowest budgets /no budget will keep propping up the rest as it is in the rest of the leagues around the country .What you cannot buy with money is team spirit and passion,a sense of purpose and heart ,those players will only gain that through coming up through the ranks of the club and having been coached and nurtured through the clubs youth and reserve ranks. A great example of this is arsenal,youngsters taken at an early age and progressed through to the first team , they play how the manager wants them to play, you rarely see them going out and splashing big money on big signings ,that system is the only way forward for clubs like ours ,nurture the youth and reserves ,then let them have a shot at the first team , dont just give them 1 or 2 games give them 10 or 20 ,if they dont perform then send them back to the reserves and build them up again .Id rather have 11 players playing with a pride and passion for the club ,than outsiders taking every hardearned penny the club has .The lads in the reserves play for each other ,like the first team do (now),i would imagine they would slot in if asked to and hopefully if we are safe from relegation they will be given their chance . You will probably say but what happens if we are struggling to get results and have a chance to be relegated ? Tbh so what ,if we struggle and get relegated then so be it , the players learn from their mistakes and will improve ,they will battle as we have and will continue to do at this club to remain at the highest level possible ,so our paying spectators can enjoy watching their football ,i will also be around to make sure that happens , i dont have a say in team matters , that is down to the managers of the teams ,but i will continue to show passion, heart and a sense of purpose as my family has done for neigh on 80 years at this club ,im no one season wonder ,are you ?
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 28, 2011 16:43:06 GMT
A couple of more points in answer to your questions above , IF you had watched the reserve League cup game against Pagham you would have seen that we battered pagham ,but we did not put away the chances created ,as it was a cup game at home we pushed forward looking for the vital goal,but unfortuanatly we got caught on the break and the pagham goal was a wind assisted effort from outside the penalty area that the keeper had no chance in keeping out .Fair play to pagham it was a good game of football and won fairly and squarely. In answer to your 2nd question ,yes pub teams can be good , as we proved when we won the county league title with local players ,enough said on that matter i think .
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Post by corinthian on Jan 28, 2011 19:15:07 GMT
It was very obvious that there is a large gulf between County League and Ryman League as our team discovered when they made the step up three seasons ago,so it is also obvious that a very large gulf exists between Ryman and reserve section County League football. Our reserves have scored over 30 goals in their league and have only had 6 scored against them (including 3 by Hassocks Res in one game)so they must have some useful players. Before he broke his leg Charlie Francis showed he can score in this league and Kyle Holford could probably win a fair number of headers if played as a striker. I think these two should be given at least half a game.
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Post by dubai2010 on Jan 28, 2011 19:29:10 GMT
I dont disagree with the progress of the 1st team into the Ryman league. Whilst it good to praise their efforts its also good to praise the efforts of the other teams at Eastbourne Town as well. The step up from County league is a big one, but not that big that if players are given a chance that they cannot make. At our club so many players are not given that chance. Its almost like we have 4 different clubs at Eastbourne Town as each team outside the first team feels undervalued. We need to start using the resources available to us at our club otherwise we will not make any headway. Bringing players through the ranks like they do at Boro has got to be the way forward. Listening to managers concerns and seeking their advice only breeds a successful outcome because those managers will then all feel valued and contribute to the benefit of the club. And thats what we all want. Isnt it?
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Post by tislarkin on Feb 7, 2011 14:11:25 GMT
I'm afraid I look on this subject from a different angle from gentlemen who have written before me on this thread. Players are supposed to want this CLUB to achieve when signed. They should therefore be asked before signing whether or not they would be prepared to play in our Reserve side. If their answer is NO, then don't sign them, as these are players who are only signing for rewards offered for playing in the First Team but are NOT club players. In other words I want to see players who WANT to play for the badge with a reward of secondary importance. I could name a few in the first team who qualify as being club players, while a few are only along for the ride, not caring whether it be win or lose!! Surely it makes a Manager's job easier if he has a squad of players who WANT to play for their club, irrespective of team. Sorry if it offends anybody but my viewpoint is my own and definitely one in which I believe!!
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